Include group balances when viewing a friendship (to see the total balance with an individual)
Could you make it so that group balances and individual friend balances are included together, rather than as two separate things?
I have friends on Splitwise who are both (a) in groups with me and (b) in my friends list. Some of our transactions happen inside the group, and others happen in our one-on-one friendships.
Unfortunately, my balance with Person X in the group is treated separately from my balance with the same Person X in my friends list, which makes it very confusing to figure out who owes who.
This has now been completed on all platforms: web, iPhone, and Android.
Friendships include group balances in the list of expenses, so when you click on a friend’s name, you will see all transactions with that person.
Davide Bosso commented
in view group totals i can only see what i have paid and not what everybody has actually paid
If anyone is still having trouble with this (post Android and iPhone updates), please email us at firstname.lastname@example.org!
I have a group and I I need to check what was the total expense that I did in that group. How do i do that?
I am also having the same problem as Ian. After I pay a group expense within a "friendship" it continues to say that I owe the amount in the group. This has been confusing and may cause people to pay twice if they aren't paying close attention. I agree with his solution as well.
I still face the same issue Ian faces. In an inverted way though.
A friend owed me $70 in a group. He paid that and i clicked settle up. So now the group shows we are even. But my personal dashboard says that i owe him $70 now.
As a solution to the problem in my previous comment, perhaps when you show the "settle up" dialog, you should include the same system you use for "divide a bill" where the user would get to choose which personal/group debts they are settling, and how much should go to each.
As of 2013-01-08, this still needs work... friendships now include group balances, but settling up with a person doesn't settle up with a group.
In other words, if I owe someone $60 of group expense and $40 of personal expense, and in the "friendship" section I pay them $100, then the group section still says that I owe them $60 -- even though the dashboard and the friendship section say that we are even.
The new update looks great !!
I find having the group as a separate account to be pretty useless feature.
Rather it is actually confusing.
It basically makes groups as a broker. Everybody in group will owe to group and group will owe to the the people.
And these balances are never accounted for expenses in between individuals.
I would actually prefer not to have the groups option rather than have confusing groups.
Here's a thought - there's no such thing as groups. It's an artificial construct that's making this whole thing way more complicated than it needs to be. A group is simply a subset of your friends, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't need to be handled separately, and doing so only causes all of these problems.
Only allow friends in groups. Only use groups as a shortcut to adding people to bills, and possibly as a tag on the bill (to show it was specific to that group).
You don't need to add all these features (shuffling between groups and friends, updating balances between groups and friends, etc. etc.) - all you need to do is delete the "group" feature as it currently exists.
We are planning on adding group members to our Simplified Debt feature in a future update. Sorry about any inconvenience until then!
The issue of debt shuffle is still a confusion in Splitwise. Money owed to a friend inside and outside a group is treated as 2 different entities. Which is point less ! Instead of representing
1. Friend 'A' owes $$
2. Group 'B' owes $$ --> (A is part of the group and owes $)
They can be shown as just a friend 'A' owing the total amount and not show the money involved in a group. Because, at the end of the day we are just interested in the total amount we owe to an individual and not the money we get or owe a group.
Moreover Debt shuffle (or settle up) can still be active inside the group. And if a bill is reported to a friend (who is in a group) individually i.e. outside the group. The total amount the person owes would simply be the sum of shuffled debt (inside the group) and money owed separately.
It would be great to see this being implemented.
i am really confused with how bills are split in a group..when some X in the share apt pays a bill, his balance goes up and when i put in some bills to other users Y who never owes this X anything, I see he owes some amount to X and i don't see anything owed to me. Any help please...........??
Hey all – we're working on shuffling balances between groups and friendships, as well as updating the dashboard to show total balances with an individual. Hang tight! :)
Can't this work in reverse too? Why cant I debt shuffle a group and have it include a debt made between two group members outside the group?
Sasi Siddharth commented
This is excellent. But the dashboard still doesnt show the aggregate balance of each person. Would it be possible to have an updated total on the dashboard as well?
David Baumgold commented
Hooray! Thank you!
Also, if you and your friend share only one group in common (probably the most common case), there should be a button in that details view to shuffle debt between one-on-one expenses and group expenses, if applicable.
Also, the dashboard should display only the group expense(a click on which should show the details) and group expense should be editable/removable.
This should be easy I suppose considering the level of great detail currently available! Would be greatly appreciated if you can get it up. Pls add a donate link also if possible!
Yeah this feature needs to be added to have the site be more useful than a haphazard excel sheet.